Gateway,cannon rushes etc are they fair?
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What you think about players who are often making cannon/gateway rush or worker rush.
What do you think about it.
btw
I hate them.
i hate them too but fair enough I think.
you also have the same opportunities.
Definitely fair, they might not be fun to play against, but if you manage to successfully hold it off, the opponent is at a major disadvantage in terms of resources, you can easily stomp his base afterwards.
@Veior +1
Right, so I should make thread called "How to survive cannon rush"
Btw Its still black magic for me.
And I dont see disadvantage in resources because usually opponent hit our economy and kill many workers.
But I understand that I'm not greatest player so any advice guys?
look to see how many workers are making cannons .. if only 1-2 suicide to kill his workers .. if the cannons arnt already hitting your main .. ignore them and send troops asap to his main chances are he put everything into your base and is wide open for attack ...
most ppl focus on killing the cannons and his worker will just keep making more ... most cannoners only send one worker .. see :)
The disadvantage in resources is that he wouldnt have built many workers early game in order to save minerals for the tech needed, eg, for cannon rush, 150 for the forge + another 150 for each cannon, easily winnable by simply sending the same amount of resources or less worth of your basic unit, added to the fact that he had to sacrifice at least a worker to build them, more if he was terran trying to bunker/barrack rush. If you successfully repel it, he would have wasted minerals building an ineffective offense, wouldnt have teched much and chances are, would have close to no buildings at his base.
So you mean the easiest way to achive victory and fightback is to rush on his base?
I usually tried to destroy the pylon
Yes kill his workers at your base so he can not make more towers.. and watch the area so he does not send more. then go hit his base.
If you kill pylones and or towers at your base you are giving him time to make gateways and pop out some troops.
If you are terran, simply let him build cannons all he wants.
Continue to mine on the side of the minerals away from the cannons with 5 scv's in your command center.
once your command center starts taking hits and goes to 1,000 HP; simply lift off and mine at another location.
You should have a barracks built before his cannons come out, so simply float it over towards his main and marine rape him.
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If you are zerg or toss, then fallow Cronos advice, because I also approve.
Chances are he will have just 1 pylon in there with the forge, but you have to be quick because he will start massing cannons at his main to stop you from doing any major damage.
The cannon rush only works versus protoss and terran. Zerg has creep so you can't use it properly against him. There is realy no way to kill the probe to stop it from building pylons and cannons. When your first cannon is done your enemy will have 1 marine or 1 zealot. And if you try to fly with the command center if it gets away the protoss will just follow it and build cannons everywhere. I have never used it in a rated match and never will. Many people say that if you scout it you can stop it but no one ever said how.
I have to disagree, the cannon rush is easily beatable. By the time he even gets to your base, you should already have multiple units up or at least some form of defense, such as afew zerglings, a gateway choke or just a normal bunker/depot wall to prevent early rushes, making killing the probe an easy task. If you had a slow build order, use your supposedly better economy to keep pressure on the cannons, targetting the worker, which dies easily, and the pylons, especially the ones further out as he attempts the expand his power field range, while sending some units to his base. The rusher will have no units at all defending, making it an extremely easy win.
When i am being cannon rushed, i jsur rush them back with units instead of buildings because like cronos said, they wouldnt have that much defense in there base, and would take alot of effort of them to even survive your rush and during that time there focusing on their base and it would be a great time to snipe out the pylon or probes that are with the cannons and then you would have a great advantages of ecomony and units.
Anyone who cannon rushes is a fool.
Anyone who loses to this is an even bigger fool.
If he wastes all his resources on building cannons, you know he has no minerals, and therefore, no sizable army for that matter.
Simply expand and mass up a quick army of lings, rines, or lots and push on his base. If you destroy his workers and his Nexus then he'll be screwed.
It is possible to recover from a counter rush if you use a cannon rush. You SHOULD have alot of minerals to support the sheer number of cannons you are putting down, and SHOULD have a gateway up as well. Using this, all you have to do is simply be able to detect the rush(with all your cannons, it shouldnt be a problem), and get some cannons and afew zealots up in your base, if necessary, just cannon wall with a zealot or 2 to plug the gap.
there is no peace time in starcraft. you can use any possible strategy and be prepared for any.
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watch inca vs rexzandarke from gsl open season 1 round of 32.. made the cannonrush work in a major tournament
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I've seen people make it all the way to diamond with cannon rushes, then when they get there they can't win a game to save their lives.
A cannon rush is cute and can catch somebody off guard here and there, scout well, scout early and if you get rushed just bunker up and force your way through the cannons. I play Terran so I can't speak for other races, but if you remain calm it's very easy to deal with as T.
I have a few rush and cheese tactics myself, but I prefer to work on sound play and I enjoy playing the mid/late game more than ending the game in the first five minutes.
Any strategy somebody wins with is viable, but I still think cannon rushes, bunker cheese, etc is just kind of annoying and doesn't really show any real skill.
or you could just send all your workers to attack the enemy base ;)
Sending your workers to attack doesnt work. Firstly, the enemy will have more workers than you. Secondly, you still have to destroy all of his cannons to win the game, unless you have enough to build another CC/nexus/hatchery, your workers alone will be unable to kill the cannons. Thirdly, all the enemy player has to do is put down a single cannon, which he will have more than enough minerals for in the time it takes for your workers to reach, and it is more than sufficient to repel a worker rush.
the "rush" word is very powerfull. i saw a planetary fortress rush:)) and i think it's fair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4uoqlVL_c
rushes are totally fair, its just annoying i think. people should know how to rush, and should know how to counter a rush. like someone else said, scouting is the key. if you know what your up against then you can mentally prepare.
I love being terran :P i just lift off to gold and steam roll.