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Ok, update, I did a clean install, even reinstalled Win7 64bit, then drivers, disabled ALL security software built into windows and so on.
I then installed the game/patchs/cache/AI1/maps.
Same thing, I then went to an older version that I had been using, which is 4.6.1....
That, worked, so, I have a feeling the patches are NOT fully installing, what should the version # of sc be at the top left when fully patched to 12.0 or 12.1?